Activists have been trying for years to push the pension fund for government and education in a more sustainable direction. One of the objections is that committed scientists do not want their pension money to be invested in companies that allow the polar ice caps to melt.

In June, following the protests in the academic world, the Association of Universities in the Netherlands VSNU set up a committee, which issued its advisory report today. Professor of Banking & Finance Dirk Schoenmaker calls on ABP to ensure that companies in which it invests achieve the climate targets.

Were you impressed by ABP’s move or is it a drop in the ocean?

“It’s more than a drop but our job is not to rejoice. ABP has a major responsibility in the sustainable transition. This move has not gone unnoticed. But the most important thing is that companies in which ABP invests make a similar move; that is the real transition. Our recommendations are a message to them too.”

Last month, ABP concluded that it saw ‘very little opportunity’ to persuade oil producers to switch to renewable energy. ABP is continuing nevertheless to invest in companies that use fossil fuels, in the hope that they can become more sustainable. Do you think they will?

“Definitely not the oil producers. ABP is telling other companies, as are we, to get started. But ABP needs to tighten up the criteria in order to set the transition in motion. Not everyone is up to speed on day one, but companies must in any event make progress. This has to be tested annually, almost like at school. If companies do nothing, talk to them about it and issue a warning. If that doesn’t work, our advice to ABP is to stop investing.”

Changing the course of electricity companies, the automotive industry and airlines towards sustainability – assuming that it succeeds – requires time and effort. Are you confident that ABP can turn that ambition into reality?

“If companies don’t change, they won’t last long. A company making only petrol-driven cars will soon be a thing of the past. Sooner or later the government will take things more seriously and the tax on CO2 emissions will go up even more. Companies that are big emitters will then find that their products are no longer competitive. Maybe not all companies understand this, and in that case it would be sensible for the benefit of ABP’s yields not to invest any more money in them. So the best scenario is to work with investors to achieve a sustainable transition.”

How can they do that?

“Our advice to ABP is not to spread the investments too thinly over a lot of companies but to make more choices. Then you get bigger stakes in a smaller number of companies. In that way you have a greater influence and more time to keep an eye on the progression. So we encourage them to invest more in renewable energy. They are already doing so but could do more, because that’s the future.”

The advice is not binding. Is ABP going to take it seriously?

“I am very hopeful that the advice will be heeded. They definitely want to get started. And we consider it very important that the advice dovetails with the reality in which ABP operates, so that not only does it look good on paper but it is also genuinely usable. The economy is still extremely dependent on fossil energy, so it’s important not to get rid of those companies in one fell swoop but to work together towards a sustainable alternative.”

How long will your committee still be needed now that ABP has new ambitions?

“Our assignment is for two years, with a total of four advisory reports. After that, we will see. The next advisory report is about the food chain, because that involves a lot of emissions too. But ultimately the most important thing is that ABP’s approach is in good shape. Choose only those companies that are doing things right and that want to do things right. When that happens, you can achieve a lot.”

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