{"id":85567,"date":"2018-03-27T12:45:45","date_gmt":"2018-03-27T10:45:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/?p=85567"},"modified":"2025-12-19T11:22:58","modified_gmt":"2025-12-19T10:22:58","slug":"op-zoek-naar-relativerende-gesprekken","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2018\/03\/27\/op-zoek-naar-relativerende-gesprekken\/","title":{"rendered":"Make learning real: Time to seek for humbling conversations"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"853\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110637\/Payal-Arora-1017-021-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139128\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-81075\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110637\/Payal-Arora-1017-021-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139128 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110637\/Payal-Arora-1017-021-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139128 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110637\/Payal-Arora-1017-021-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139128 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 19.591C3.33097 20.0129 3.90326 20.25 4.5 20.25H19.5C20.0967 20.25 20.669 20.0129 21.091 19.591C21.5129 19.169 21.75 18.5967 21.75 18V7.5C21.75 6.90326 21.5129 6.33097 21.091 5.90901C20.669 5.48705 20.0967 5.25 19.5 5.25ZM15.375 12.375C15.375 13.0425 15.1771 13.695 14.8062 14.25C14.4354 14.8051 13.9083 15.2376 13.2916 15.4931C12.6749 15.7485 11.9963 15.8154 11.3416 15.6852C10.6869 15.5549 10.0855 15.2335 9.61351 14.7615C9.14151 14.2895 8.82007 13.6881 8.68985 13.0334C8.55962 12.3787 8.62646 11.7001 8.88191 11.0834C9.13735 10.4667 9.56993 9.93964 10.125 9.56879C10.68 9.19794 11.3325 9 12 9C12.8951 9 13.7535 9.35558 14.3865 9.98851C15.0194 10.6214 15.375 11.4799 15.375 12.375Z\" fill=\"currentColor\"\/>\n<\/svg>\n<\/span>\n\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Image by:<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/levien-willemse\/\" class=\"underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2\">Levien Willemse<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>Conference life is indeed a carbon life. Trains, planes, automobiles and, more specifically, taxi rides punctuate my time. This instance, it was a cab ride to the International Delhi airport. The cab driver and I started to talk. He told me how work was hard to come by since the rise of Uber. The last two days, he hadn\u2019t gone home. He had a wife and two boys. Both in decent schools so they don\u2019t have to be like their father, he said. He hoped that one day he would be able to buy good things for his parents who have sacrificed so much and who have now moved back to their village in Haryana.<\/p>\n<p>He slept in his taxi the past two nights, hoping to give someone a ride even if late at night. I was his lucky break with my red eye flight. I asked him if he was tempted to join Uber. \u201cDefinitely not,\u201d he exclaimed. \u201cI would feel unsafe, because who knows what kind of passengers you get. They might be drunk. They could take you to a strange area and steal your taxi. You never know. Also, who knows whether you as a passenger will be raped, madam? Delhi is not safe. Our taxis are.\u201d While he was saying this, another cab, as if on cue, passed us by with a bumper sticker saying: \u201cthis taxi respects women.\u201d What about reviews, I asked. \u201cThis is India, madam.\u201d That seemed to sum up his argument. Trust is a privilege. Predictability is for the affluent.<\/p>\n<p>He paused. \u201cDo you mind if I ask something, madam? Why are rich people cheap? Even if they can afford it, they still don\u2019t want to pay more. Even if drivers can\u2019t make any money with so many Uber cars on the road. My friends and I joke that rich people should be called Below Poverty Line people.\u201d He gave a hearty laugh.<\/p>\n<p>This moment was a humbling experience. I teach about precarious labour, I don\u2019t live it. I make my students debate about the gig economy, but few will ever witness the perverse and desperate outcomes of such innovation beyond the classroom.<\/p>\n<p>Humility helps us grow. It expands our range of consciousness beyond our worldview. Yet, few of us venture outside our routines and our people.<\/p>\n<p>Making a familiar moment unfamiliar, by engaging with our surroundings, may be a step in the right direction.<\/p>\n<p><em>Payal Arora is an Associate Professor at Erasmus School of History, Culture and Communication<\/em><\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/persons\" class=\"mt-6 md:mt-8 lg:mt-10\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"sr-only\">De redactie<\/h2>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6\">\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid grid-cols-1 md:grid-cols-2 gap-4 md:gap-8 md:items-center\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"teaser-person\" class=\"relative flex gap-4 items-center md:gap-8\">\n\n\t\t\t<span class=\"image:rounded-full image:size-20 image:aspect-square image:object-cover md:image:size-36 shrink-0\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"853\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110614\/Payal-Arora-1017-008-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139127\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110614\/Payal-Arora-1017-008-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139127 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110614\/Payal-Arora-1017-008-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139127 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/10\/17110614\/Payal-Arora-1017-008-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139127 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\t\n\t<div>\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/payal-arora\/\" class=\"absolute-link font-tiempos-headline underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2 text-lg text-current\">Payal Arora<\/a>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts\" class=\"alignfull py-6 md:py-8 lg:py-10 bg-white\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"container-fixed\">\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-xl md:text-2xl\">Latest news<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"post-grid\" class=\"grid items-stretch grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8 text-zoom-lg:grid-cols-1\n\t\t\n\t\tlg:grid-cols-3\n\t\t\">\n\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post\" class=\"block-theme-sand hidden lg:flex h-full relative flex bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 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https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/05\/11160201\/BSA-study-bindend-studie-advies-Femke-Legue-225x159.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139328 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1018px) 100vw, 1018px\" \/>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 p-4 @md:p-8 @xl:p-8 \">\n\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @sm:text-xl @md:text-2xl @xl:text-2xl\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2026\/04\/22\/tweede-kamer-minister-moet-in-gesprek-over-bsa\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current underline-offset-2 decoration-2 hocus:underline @md:decoration-3 @xl:decoration-4 inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tHouse of Representatives: Minister must enter talks on binding study advice\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2026-04-22\">22 April 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