{"id":80107,"date":"2017-08-23T16:24:57","date_gmt":"2017-08-23T14:24:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/?p=80107"},"modified":"2025-12-19T11:22:50","modified_gmt":"2025-12-19T10:22:50","slug":"betrek-internationale-studenten-op-hun-manier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2017\/08\/23\/betrek-internationale-studenten-op-hun-manier\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Involve international students in their way\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"853\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161722\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-3-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80109\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161722\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-3-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161722\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-3-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161722\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-3-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161722\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-3.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p><span>Henriette Claus (former chairwoman RVSV) <\/span><\/p> <p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 19.591C3.33097 20.0129 3.90326 20.25 4.5 20.25H19.5C20.0967 20.25 20.669 20.0129 21.091 19.591C21.5129 19.169 21.75 18.5967 21.75 18V7.5C21.75 6.90326 21.5129 6.33097 21.091 5.90901C20.669 5.48705 20.0967 5.25 19.5 5.25ZM15.375 12.375C15.375 13.0425 15.1771 13.695 14.8062 14.25C14.4354 14.8051 13.9083 15.2376 13.2916 15.4931C12.6749 15.7485 11.9963 15.8154 11.3416 15.6852C10.6869 15.5549 10.0855 15.2335 9.61351 14.7615C9.14151 14.2895 8.82007 13.6881 8.68985 13.0334C8.55962 12.3787 8.62646 11.7001 8.88191 11.0834C9.13735 10.4667 9.56993 9.93964 10.125 9.56879C10.68 9.19794 11.3325 9 12 9C12.8951 9 13.7535 9.35558 14.3865 9.98851C15.0194 10.6214 15.375 11.4799 15.375 12.375Z\" fill=\"currentColor\"\/>\n<\/svg>\n<\/span>\n\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Image by:<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/tim-ficheroux\/\" class=\"underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2\">Tim Ficheroux<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>\u201cWhat an idiotic non-debate!\u201d, fumes Ewout Ketelaars, former president of the RSC (now RSC-RVSV). This proves to be one of the few moments of excitement during Tuesday\u2019s Chairpersons Debate in the aula in Eurekaweek. Ten Rotterdam study and student associations attracted new students and debated internationalisation, career prospects and the association character.<\/p>\n<p>Ketelaars isn\u2019t keen on the idea that associations should make their Dutch core values more flexible to open themselves up to international students. \u201cWe are now debating whether we should reduce one to increase the other. Make it and-and. Involve international students in the association in their own way, then everyone\u2019s happy and you don\u2019t need to discuss whether it\u2019s necessary to flexibilise the Dutch core values.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Dutch core values<\/h3><p>All the chairpersons want to offer international students a warm welcome to their association, but they have different opinions about what \u2018the Dutch core values\u2019 mean. Preses Milan Lips from SSR Rotterdam includes hazing in the term. To the disapproval of Tobias Hoogteijling from FAECTOR: \u201cWhen I hear the word \u2018Dutch core values\u2019, I think of much more fundamental things like freedom, equality and care for each other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As an added gimmick, the audience can use their smartphones to vote on the statements. The results are displayed on the screen, but they don\u2019t really generate any further discussion.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161716\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-4.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80108\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161716\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-4.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 2000w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161716\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-4-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161716\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-4-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161716\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-4-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p><span>The audience had a clear opinion about the third statement of the debate: A multidisciplinary background of students is only to be found at a student association.<\/span><\/p> <p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 19.591C3.33097 20.0129 3.90326 20.25 4.5 20.25H19.5C20.0967 20.25 20.669 20.0129 21.091 19.591C21.5129 19.169 21.75 18.5967 21.75 18V7.5C21.75 6.90326 21.5129 6.33097 21.091 5.90901C20.669 5.48705 20.0967 5.25 19.5 5.25ZM15.375 12.375C15.375 13.0425 15.1771 13.695 14.8062 14.25C14.4354 14.8051 13.9083 15.2376 13.2916 15.4931C12.6749 15.7485 11.9963 15.8154 11.3416 15.6852C10.6869 15.5549 10.0855 15.2335 9.61351 14.7615C9.14151 14.2895 8.82007 13.6881 8.68985 13.0334C8.55962 12.3787 8.62646 11.7001 8.88191 11.0834C9.13735 10.4667 9.56993 9.93964 10.125 9.56879C10.68 9.19794 11.3325 9 12 9C12.8951 9 13.7535 9.35558 14.3865 9.98851C15.0194 10.6214 15.375 11.4799 15.375 12.375Z\" fill=\"currentColor\"\/>\n<\/svg>\n<\/span>\n\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Image by:<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/tim-ficheroux\/\" class=\"underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2\">Tim Ficheroux<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u2018We just call the post a chairperson\u2019<\/h3><p>There were remarkably few differences in opinion about the statement that membership of a study association leads to better career prospects than a social club. According to most chairpersons, it doesn\u2019t make much difference and it mainly comes down to individual students. Only Hoogteijling insists that 70 percent of the econometrics students get a job thanks to the career events organised by study association FAECTOR.<\/p>\n<p>The fiercest pinpricks are inflicted outside the debate itself, during the introduction of the associations. \u201cI\u2019d already heard about the 55th anniversary of the JFR, but this year we\u2019re celebrating our centenary, which will be a far bigger festivity,\u201d snarls Lips. Sander de Groot counters by mocking the standard terms used in several associations \u2018preses\u2019 and \u2018president\u2019. \u201cWe just call the post \u2018chairperson\u2019, simple.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161733\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80112\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161733\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 2000w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161733\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161733\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/08\/23161733\/voorzittersdebat-verenigingen-eurekaweek-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139123 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 19.591C3.33097 20.0129 3.90326 20.25 4.5 20.25H19.5C20.0967 20.25 20.669 20.0129 21.091 19.591C21.5129 19.169 21.75 18.5967 21.75 18V7.5C21.75 6.90326 21.5129 6.33097 21.091 5.90901C20.669 5.48705 20.0967 5.25 19.5 5.25ZM15.375 12.375C15.375 13.0425 15.1771 13.695 14.8062 14.25C14.4354 14.8051 13.9083 15.2376 13.2916 15.4931C12.6749 15.7485 11.9963 15.8154 11.3416 15.6852C10.6869 15.5549 10.0855 15.2335 9.61351 14.7615C9.14151 14.2895 8.82007 13.6881 8.68985 13.0334C8.55962 12.3787 8.62646 11.7001 8.88191 11.0834C9.13735 10.4667 9.56993 9.93964 10.125 9.56879C10.68 9.19794 11.3325 9 12 9C12.8951 9 13.7535 9.35558 14.3865 9.98851C15.0194 10.6214 15.375 11.4799 15.375 12.375Z\" fill=\"currentColor\"\/>\n<\/svg>\n<\/span>\n\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Image by:<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/tim-ficheroux\/\" class=\"underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2\">Tim Ficheroux<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u2018I&#039;d expected more action\u2019<\/h3><p>Not every member of the audience is satisfied with the event. \u201cI\u2019d expected more action involving fierce debates with the microphone being hurled to the ground,\u201d says new Health Care Studies student Lucas Boekkamp (18). \u201cThe differences between the associations weren\u2019t clear. After three minutes, I\u2019d forgotten who was who. Perhaps they ought to have name plates next time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>New history student Luuk Rensen (17) was happy though. \u201cThe debate was very informative. Particularly about the Dutch core values, which are important at a time of globalisation and internationalisation. This has really helped me decide on the associations to choose. Being able to vote also made me feel involved.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">More Eureka Week<\/h2><ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2017\/08\/23\/openingsfeest-eurekaweek-de-hoeveelheid-bier-is-opvallend\/\">Eurekaweek Opening Party: \u2018I\u2019m struck by the amount of drinks\u2019<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2017\/08\/22\/ruim-200-ambtenaren-laten-rotterdam-zien-aan-eerstejaars\/\">Over 200 municipal officials show first years round Rotterdam<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2017\/08\/21\/oudhollandse-spelletjes-en-de-administratie-regelen-tijdens-international-day\/\">Old Dutch games and arranging your affairs during International Day<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/persons\" class=\"mt-6 md:mt-8 lg:mt-10\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"sr-only\">De redactie<\/h2>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6\">\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid grid-cols-1 md:grid-cols-2 gap-4 md:gap-8 md:items-center\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"teaser-person\" class=\"relative flex gap-4 items-center md:gap-8\">\n\n\t\t\t<span class=\"image:rounded-full image:size-20 image:aspect-square image:object-cover md:image:size-36 shrink-0\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"693\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09222235\/Foto_EM_Martijn-Schoolenberg2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139096\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09222235\/Foto_EM_Martijn-Schoolenberg2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139096 500w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09222235\/Foto_EM_Martijn-Schoolenberg2-216x300.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139096 216w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\t\n\t<div>\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/martijn-schoolenberg\/\" class=\"absolute-link font-tiempos-headline underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2 text-lg text-current\">Martijn Schoolenberg<\/a>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"text-md\">Auteur<\/p>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cWhat an idiotic non-debate!\u201d, fumes Ewout Ketelaars, former president of the RSC (now RSC-RVSV). This proves to be one of the few moments of excitement during Tuesday\u2019s Chairpersons Debate in the aula in Eurekaweek. Ten Rotterdam study and student associations attracted new students and debated internationalisation, career prospects and the association character. 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