{"id":166938,"date":"2024-04-24T11:14:59","date_gmt":"2024-04-24T09:14:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/?p=166938"},"modified":"2025-12-19T11:27:18","modified_gmt":"2025-12-19T10:27:18","slug":"a-day-with-robbert-dijkgraaf-when-youre-a-caretaker-minister-you-govern-as-if-every-day-is-your-last","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2024\/04\/24\/a-day-with-robbert-dijkgraaf-when-youre-a-caretaker-minister-you-govern-as-if-every-day-is-your-last\/","title":{"rendered":"A day with Robbert Dijkgraaf: &#8216;When you\u2019re a caretaker minister, you govern as if every day is your last&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Presenting an award, receiving a report, complimenting everyone &#8230; It\u2019s a stress-free afternoon with Minister Dijkgraaf. \u201cI\u2019ve never quite felt that I was really a caretaker minister.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/24103038\/minister-Robbert-Dijkgraaf-D66-onderwijs-cultuur-wetenschappen-bezoekt-Erasmus-19-1600x1067.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-166937\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/24103038\/minister-Robbert-Dijkgraaf-D66-onderwijs-cultuur-wetenschappen-bezoekt-Erasmus-19-1600x1067.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/24103038\/minister-Robbert-Dijkgraaf-D66-onderwijs-cultuur-wetenschappen-bezoekt-Erasmus-19-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/24103038\/minister-Robbert-Dijkgraaf-D66-onderwijs-cultuur-wetenschappen-bezoekt-Erasmus-19-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 300w, 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https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/24103038\/minister-Robbert-Dijkgraaf-D66-onderwijs-cultuur-wetenschappen-bezoekt-Erasmus-19.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 1773w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p><span>Robbert Dijkgraaf, Minister of Education, Culture and Science.<\/span><\/p> <p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 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Willemse<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>Robbert Dijkgraaf, Minister of Education, Culture and Science, always seems to be in a good mood. Looking at him, you\u2019d hardly think that these are turbulent times. The government has fallen, elections have been held and no one can predict where things will go from here. Maybe Dijkgraaf will remain in office for months, or maybe it will all be over tomorrow. How does he deal with that? What does a minister do, when any day could be his last?<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Performing his role with gusto<\/h2><p>We follow him around for an afternoon. It\u2019s a bit like going out on the town with Santa. All eyes are on him. Dijkgraaf is the guest of honour, and he performs that role with gusto. He nods when someone talks sense and laughs at jokes. Today, he\u2019s driving his official car to a community centre in Nieuwegein to receive a report. The report discusses the role of the humanities in addressing complex social problems.<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Read more<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"307\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 2560w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-1600x1067.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-1280x854.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-1536x1024.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 1536w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-2048x1366.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 2048w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-150x100.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2023\/09\/13143531\/College-collegezaal-classroom-studenten-students2_Shrey-Khurana.jpg-scaled-8-225x150.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139342 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2023\/09\/12\/how-can-it-be-that-the-bsa-is-deemed-controversial-but-english-taught-programmes-arent\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tHow can it be that the BSA is deemed controversial, but English-taught programmes aren\u2019t?\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2023-09-12\">12 September 2023<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tPolitics\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p>To illustrate the report, some students give presentations on their activities. One of them discusses difficult words in health care, which patients do not always understand. For example, does the Minister know what \u2018aphasia\u2019 is? Dijkgraaf listens to the explanation that it is a language disorder following a brain injury. He is very impressed, reflecting that, \u201cWhen speaking to patients, it\u2019s better to use simple words.\u201d Then he adds, jokingly, \u201cWe could use clear language more often in politics too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dijkgraaf likes giving compliments. The government response is still to come, \u201cbut how could we not respond enthusiastically to this?\u201d, he says of the report. His popularity is obvious. There\u2019s no discord, and nobody\u2019s having a go at him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is your role at meetings like this?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes, that\u2019s an interesting question. In part, I have a ceremonial role to play: the government is receiving the report. I think that\u2019s very important. At the same time, my role is to encourage all parties here. As a minister, I sit at the top of the hierarchy, but who should do what this report recommends? Surely it\u2019s the research universities, universities of applied sciences, the Dutch Research Council and everyone else who is involved.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>You\u2019re a caretaker minister, and it\u2019s already the end of March. Did you think it would take this long?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cHonestly, yes. The elections were at the end of November, which meant there would be no new government before Christmas. I knew that we\u2019d make it to this point, more or less. But I did start writing plans for March and April in my diary in pencil.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018I did start writing plans for March and April in my diary in pencil\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p><strong>What has this situation changed for you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI never quite felt like I was really a caretaker minister. I even found it a bit liberating.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He is referring to the space that has been created relative to the coalition agreement. Earlier, he called the fall of the government a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.utoday.nl\/news\/73226\/moet-je-de-keuzevrijheid-van-studenten-kanaliseren\">defeat<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe had the great fortune of being able to put quite a lot of things into action before the government fell. The extra money for education and research, the basic student grant \u2026 A number of big things were done before 1 July last year. I felt like: wow, I\u2019ve put the plants in the garden, now I have to take care of them for a while.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Will the next government do the same?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat, of course, is the big concern. There\u2019s no way of knowing, but every day that the plants are watered and can continue to grow undisturbed is a good day. Someone said: when you\u2019re a caretaker minister, you govern as if every day is your last. That gives you focus.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>And on this \u2018last day\u2019 as Minister, you\u2019re receiving a report and presenting an award to the lecturer of the year. Why?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cAt this stage, you\u2019re also trying to pass on your ideas \u2013 not only to your successor, but also to the sector. Consider, for example, the equal value of all forms of education. I try to push that at every opportunity. And you can do that just by being there.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Read more<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"310\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/22151932\/Student-studenten-students-college-lecture-studeren-education-studying-3_Kim-Casamitjana-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/22151932\/Student-studenten-students-college-lecture-studeren-education-studying-3_Kim-Casamitjana-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 853w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/22151932\/Student-studenten-students-college-lecture-studeren-education-studying-3_Kim-Casamitjana-2-300x202.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/22151932\/Student-studenten-students-college-lecture-studeren-education-studying-3_Kim-Casamitjana-2-150x101.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/22151932\/Student-studenten-students-college-lecture-studeren-education-studying-3_Kim-Casamitjana-2-225x151.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139371 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2024\/04\/22\/higher-education-and-unlucky-students-risk-missing-out-on-millions\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tHigher education and \u2018unlucky students\u2019 risk missing out on millions\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2024-04-22\">22 April 2024<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tEducation\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Discrimination<\/h2><p>Dijkgraaf comes across so calm and unconcerned, you could almost forget all the problems facing the country. But when we ask about equal opportunities and discrimination, he becomes a bit more alert. It\u2019s obviously close to his heart, but it\u2019s also a more politically risky subject. He has apologised on behalf of the government for indirect discrimination by student finance provider DUO in the fight against abuse of the basic student grant for students living away from home. This mainly involved students from migrant backgrounds.<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018Equal opportunities doesn\u2019t mean saying that the door is open for everyone. If you have to come from far away, sometimes you don\u2019t even reach the door\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p><strong>Do you think that issues like equal opportunities and discrimination will be in good hands with the next government?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t know what kind of government we will have, and I shouldn\u2019t say anything about that either, but I have learned something about equal opportunities. We often talk about the range of education and the differences between academic education, professional higher education and senior secondary vocational education, but that\u2019s not all that matters. When you start zooming in, you see big differences between study programmes as well. And not all lecturers are alike: one is mindful of giving equal opportunities, while another might not even see the problem, and so on.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>What do you mean by that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat as a ministry, you have to pay attention. Between the Ministry and the student, there are at least five or six layers. Now, that\u2019s an important part of equal opportunities: how are things designed for the individual student? Poorer opportunities add up. You might have a migrant background, your parents might not speak Dutch, you might have to make ends meet \u2026 To help such students, we have to do something extra.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEqual opportunities doesn\u2019t mean saying that the door is open for everyone. If you have to come from far away, sometimes you don\u2019t even reach the door. If there are obstacles in your way, someone has to help you overcome them. That requires targeted policies, and yes, that\u2019s really tough. Everyone has the best intentions, even in politics and ministries. But ultimately, we depend on lecturers and staff who say: I am going to make a difference.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>But some people really do depend on you. You\u2019ve apologised for indirect discrimination, but you still haven\u2019t demanded that the Education Executive Agency (DUO) come up with more solid evidence before taking back the basic student grant.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI find the whole process painful. We\u2019ve gone through a number of red traffic lights. When selecting students for home checks, there were preconceived ideas. But we want to seriously redesign the checks, and we\u2019re taking this on board.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>All DUO needs in court is a credible suspicion, while students needs solid evidence to refute that suspicion. That\u2019s not balanced. Why don\u2019t you think: I\u2019ll change that before the PVV party takes control?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe process is in motion, and there are good safeguards in place. There have been questions in the House of Representatives, but I feel that there\u2019s very broad support to take the next steps.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>So you think that one party can\u2019t stop that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo, I don\u2019t think so. Who could be against making the system more just? My first debate was on the legal status of senior secondary vocational education students, and that bill passed unanimously. Sometimes, parties say you need to intervene more robustly, while others think things are moving too fast, but one thing is clear: things are moving. Just this morning, I was talking about it with the new government committee to combat racism and discrimination.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Lees meer<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"203\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 2000w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-875x386.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-1600x706.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-300x132.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-1280x565.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-1536x678.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 1536w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-150x66.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/03\/27104436\/duo-fraudejagers-huisbezoek-migratieachtergrond-opsporing-pauline-wiersema-6-225x99.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139367 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2024\/03\/27\/house-of-representatives-apologies-after-duo-scandal-how-about-compensation\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tHouse of Representatives: apologies after DUO scandal, how about compensation?\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2024-03-27\">27 March 2024<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tMoney\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Choices<\/h2><p>The Minister has another event scheduled, an award ceremony. In the back seat of the official car, he talks about what he learned in his time as an academic.<\/p>\n<p><strong>When you became a minister, you said that sometimes \u2013 just like in academia \u2013 you have to wipe the whiteboard clean and ask: what are we doing? Were there enough times when you were able to do that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo, not enough. But I did it a few times, and I still like the idea. Legislation and policy are quite complicated. Everything takes a very long time and moves very slowly.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Why weren\u2019t you able to do that more often?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs a minister, you\u2019re handed all the books, so to speak, and we\u2019re already up to chapter seven, or chapter three if you\u2019re lucky, but we\u2019re never at the beginning of the story. Things have already been implemented, policies are already in place, there\u2019s already a coalition agreement or whatever. It\u2019s sometimes difficult to explain such policies. When researchers tell me in an academic article what they do, my first question is: why do you do it? What is actually the question we\u2019re answering? That\u2019s what you want to hear first. In policy, something like that is difficult, and it\u2019s also not part of the way ministries think.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Slow progress is one of the major criticisms of your policies around internationalisation. You get that accusation a lot. Is that related to wiping the whiteboard clean?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere was already a bill before the Senate, the Language and Accessibility Bill, and that\u2019s exactly why I didn\u2019t let it go ahead. I wanted to know: what problem are we solving? What does our thinking around internationalisation mean, other than calling for \u2018more tools\u2019 and \u2018fewer students\u2019? I didn\u2019t get a good answer to that, so I said: sorry, I just want to think about it a bit longer. What are our goals, what are our resources and how do we want to set it up? It takes time to analyse it carefully step by step, but we did it anyway. That was really important.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Read more<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"307\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09213758\/3120476507_a1e907b8f0_b.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139081\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09213758\/3120476507_a1e907b8f0_b.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139081 2000w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09213758\/3120476507_a1e907b8f0_b-875x584.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139081 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09213758\/3120476507_a1e907b8f0_b-1280x854.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139081 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/09213758\/3120476507_a1e907b8f0_b-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139081 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2024\/04\/19\/council-of-state-positive-on-internationalisation-bill\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tCouncil of State positive on internationalisation bill\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2024-04-19\">19 April 2024<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tInternationalisation\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Champagne<\/h2><p>The driver parks the car at the back of a theatre, where President Demi Janssen of the Dutch National Student Association (ISO) welcomes the Minister. Effortlessly, he switches to small talk. They recall a dinner at the ISO where the Minister was allowed to uncork a champagne bottle with a sword. \u201cThe whole bottle exploded\u201d, laughs Dijkgraaf.<\/p>\n<p>In the auditorium, the meeting for the Lecturer of the Year election is in full swing. Three of the four candidates have already given a brief lecture, and the fourth is speaking when the Minister enters and sits in the front row.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the presenter asks him questions, and he plays exactly the role he described earlier: he encourages people. \u201cBeing a lecturer is what I\u2019ve missed most during my time as Minister\u201d, he says. \u201cBeing a teacher also means you learn a lot. You especially learn a lot from your students.\u201d When he says it, those words don\u2019t sound empty, and they are of course well received in a room full of students and lecturers.<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018Being a lecturer is what I\u2019ve missed most during my time as Minister\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p>The same goes for his words on educational innovation. He says, \u201cEducation is about learning new things and exploring new things, but education itself is not the most innovative branch of society. You could take someone from the Middle Ages to a lecture room, and they would still recognise the structure. We\u2019re actually quite conservative, so talking about this at all and having ideas about this is very important to me.\u201d This is met with huge applause.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">In the photo<\/h2><p>Dijkgraaf presents the award and has his photo taken with the winner. Many students and lecturers come up to him. He seems to enchant them all. Over drinks, one former \u2019Lecturer of the Year\u2019 sighs to another: \u201cWhat a pity he\u2019s not going to stay as Minister.\u201d<\/p>\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/featured-text\" class=\"md:mt-6 p-4 md:p-6 lg:p-8 bg-sand-300 theme-sand:bg-white theme-violet:bg-white theme-mocha:bg-white wysiwyg *:last:mb-0!\" >\n\t\t<p><strong>Robbert Dijkgraaf<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Personal Details<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Born in Ridderkerk, 24 January 1960<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Married to Pia de Jong, three children<\/p>\n<p><strong>Education<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; PhD, Utrecht University (1989)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; MSc in Theoretical Physics, Utrecht University (1986)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Gerrit Rietveld Academie, Amsterdam (painting) (1982\u20131984)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; BSc in Physics, Utrecht University (1982)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Roles<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Minister of Education, Culture and Science (10 January 2022 to present)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Director of the Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, and Leon Levy Professor (2012\u20132021)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; University Professor, University of Amsterdam (2005\u20132022)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; President of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (2008\u20132012)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Board member of the Folia Civitatis Foundation (2007\u20132012)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Professor of Mathematical Physics, University of Amsterdam (1992\u20132004)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Long-term Member, School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton (1991\u20131992)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Research Associate, Physics Department, Princeton University (1989\u20131991)<\/p>\n\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/persons\" class=\"mt-6 md:mt-8 lg:mt-10\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"sr-only\">De redactie<\/h2>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6\">\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid grid-cols-1 md:grid-cols-2 gap-4 md:gap-8 md:items-center\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"teaser-person\" class=\"relative flex 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text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tDress code\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-mocha lg:hidden relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"460\" 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