{"id":115714,"date":"2020-07-16T17:41:07","date_gmt":"2020-07-16T15:41:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/?p=115714"},"modified":"2026-02-10T16:46:07","modified_gmt":"2026-02-10T15:46:07","slug":"hans-smits-metoo-shouldnt-there-be-an-external-committee-for-that","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/07\/16\/hans-smits-metoo-shouldnt-there-be-an-external-committee-for-that\/","title":{"rendered":"Hans Smits: &#8220;#Metoo, shouldn&#8217;t there be an external committee for that?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On taking over as interim President of the Executive Board in November, Hans Smits <a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/01\/20\/new-universitys-chair-isnt-merely-here-to-mind-the-shop\/?noredirect=en_US\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told EM <\/a>that he &#8216;didn&#8217;t just want to look after the store&#8217;. Thanks to the corona crisis, that wish was amply granted. Friday is his last workday. A look back at nine exhilarating months.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1066\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-1600x1066.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-108173\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-1600x1066.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-150x100.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova-225x150.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 225w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20154918\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-5-Aysha-Gasanova.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><p data-component=\"image-credits\" class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-2 items-center text-base\">\n\t<span aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg width=\"24\" height=\"24\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\">\n<path d=\"M19.5 5.25H16.9012L15.6234 3.33375C15.555 3.23114 15.4623 3.147 15.3535 3.08879C15.2448 3.03057 15.1233 3.00007 15 3H9C8.87665 3.00007 8.75522 3.03057 8.64648 3.08879C8.53773 3.147 8.44502 3.23114 8.37656 3.33375L7.09781 5.25H4.5C3.90326 5.25 3.33097 5.48705 2.90901 5.90901C2.48705 6.33097 2.25 6.90326 2.25 7.5V18C2.25 18.5967 2.48705 19.169 2.90901 19.591C3.33097 20.0129 3.90326 20.25 4.5 20.25H19.5C20.0967 20.25 20.669 20.0129 21.091 19.591C21.5129 19.169 21.75 18.5967 21.75 18V7.5C21.75 6.90326 21.5129 6.33097 21.091 5.90901C20.669 5.48705 20.0967 5.25 19.5 5.25ZM15.375 12.375C15.375 13.0425 15.1771 13.695 14.8062 14.25C14.4354 14.8051 13.9083 15.2376 13.2916 15.4931C12.6749 15.7485 11.9963 15.8154 11.3416 15.6852C10.6869 15.5549 10.0855 15.2335 9.61351 14.7615C9.14151 14.2895 8.82007 13.6881 8.68985 13.0334C8.55962 12.3787 8.62646 11.7001 8.88191 11.0834C9.13735 10.4667 9.56993 9.93964 10.125 9.56879C10.68 9.19794 11.3325 9 12 9C12.8951 9 13.7535 9.35558 14.3865 9.98851C15.0194 10.6214 15.375 11.4799 15.375 12.375Z\" fill=\"currentColor\"\/>\n<\/svg>\n<\/span>\n\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Image by:<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/persons\/aysha-gasanova\/\" class=\"underline hocus:no-underline decoration-1 underline-offset-2\">Aysha Gasanova<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>\u201cNo, it wasn\u2019t a case of looking after the store at all, of course\u201d, Smits concedes. Yet it is not the corona crisis that first comes to mind when summing up the highs and lows of the past six months. Perhaps this is also due to the timing of the interview. Namely, at the beginning of July, shortly after the university proposed the \u2018Connecting Our Future\u2019 outreach program to Mayor Aboutaleb at Rotterdam\u2019s town hall. By joining forces and working with Rotterdam\u2019s primary and secondary schools, it should become clear to schools and students that studying is for everyone in principle. The EUR wants to attract a more diverse student population this way over the coming years. No empty promises as far as Smits is concerned, who was in a position to announce that the university will spend 3 million euros on the program up until 2024.<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Read more<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"328\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 1867w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-300x214.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-875x625.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-1280x914.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-1600x1142.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-150x107.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/07164347\/fvdb-EUR-overhandiging-4-2-225x161.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139216 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/07\/07\/3-million-euros-for-a-student-population-that-properly-reflects-rotterdam-society\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\t3 million euros for a student population that properly reflects Rotterdam society\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2020-07-07\">7 July 2020<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tDiversity\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p>Diversity and inclusion, the accomplished manager, who has led the Port Authority and Schiphol amongst others over the past decades, senses the spirit of the times. During the period prior to the outbreak of the corona crisis, it was particularly the clear manner in which Smits spoke and acted on issues such as inappropriate behaviour and racism which made an impression. When it became clear that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/03\/02\/dean-eshpm-steps-down-after-complaints-about-improper-behaviour\/?noredirect=en_US\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">serious complaints concerning sexual harassment had been lodged against Hans Severens,<\/a> the dean of Erasmus School of Health Policy and Management (ESHPM), Smits did not hesitate to voice his disapproval and held discussions with the complainants. Severens resigned his position and is currently awaiting the outcome of an external investigation.<\/p>\n<p>Smits personally intervened in the case of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/02\/20\/concerns-about-racist-and-anti-semitic-posts-in-student-app-group\/?noredirect=en_US\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">spread of anti-Semitic and racist messages within an app group at Erasmus University College<\/a>. \u201cWe find the sharing of offensive material unacceptable\u201d, he said and promised to swiftly put an end to such behaviour. \u201cAs members of the executive board, we believe the university needs to be a place where everyone can study and work safely.\u201d He met with the students involved, who subsequently expressed their apologies in a letter. In contrast to the Rotterdam University of Applied Sciences, which dropped the matter in the wake of the corona crisis, the university did file charges.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You acted decisively in these matters, which was viewed by many as refreshing and by some as too harsh. Do you think that universities should take a firmer stance on subjects such as racism and MeToo?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018Perhaps not firmer, but certainly clearer\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p>\u201cPerhaps not firmer, but certainly clearer. Universities should be able to convey even more clearly what they stand for. As far as MeToo issues are concerned, I think that the level of dependency in the relationships between professors and PhD students, staff and students is so great that a certain vulnerability persists there. The question is whether the internal safeguards that are in place are sufficient. People are often afraid to go to an internal ombudsman or confidential counsellor. Given that this plays out at all universities, I wonder if it might be better to set up an external independent committee for this purpose, which people would be more willing to dare approach.\u201d<\/p><p><strong>To what extent will corona permanently change the way people work at the university?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere is a distinction between employees and students. Starting with the first group: I think people in general like working from home more often, but they also miss the office. I expect a mixture of a few days at home and a few days in the office to become the norm. I see a lasting change in that respect.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn any case, the coming year will be a mixed format for students as well. That means no longer going to campus every day and keeping up with online education. I am expecting that the major transition to digital education, the likes of which we have seen in recent months, will be permanent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That Dutch society has gone through such a rapid transformation is a very positive aspect of the corona crisis according to Smits. \u201cIf something has to be done, it will be done. The crisis has created an enormous solidarity and cohesion.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>What moment has made the most lasting impression on you in the past year?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cOn the 13th of March, I turned 70 and that was the first day of lockdown. I had planned a week\u2019s holiday in South Africa but immediately came back to the Netherlands. My wife stayed another week and fortunately was able to come back before all flights were shut down. The moment the news broke, I started thinking about the impact right away. Of course, the Executive Board immediately began setting up a crisis organisation. But a lot of things came about of their own accord. Over the first weekend, 600 teachers were already preparing online lessons, without us coming up with a centralised idea.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018Over the first weekend, 600 teachers were already preparing online lessons, without us coming up with a centralised idea\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p><strong>So, it wasn\u2019t the bureaucracy that you were so afraid of back in January?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cMuch to my delight, there was hardly any bureaucracy. All the relevant subjects were decided very quickly. I do believe, however, that a more business-based approach should be taken at the university. The 80-20 rule, as in not working out everything in detail, leads to greater decisiveness. That does require leadership and occasionally making decisions based on intuition.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI am very happy to have been able to make a number of decisions in the relatively short time that I had. These included thinking about our positioning in society, but also about branding and appointing a public affairs officer. A report was submitted on this in 2018, but we have finally managed to push this through over the past few months.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/posts-list\" >\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6 md:space-y-8\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"text-lg md:text-xl\">Read more<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid items-strecth grid-cols-1 gap-2 md:gap-4 lg:gap-8\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"@container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<div data-component=\"teaser-post-small\" class=\"block-theme-sand  relative flex h-full bg-sand-300\n\tblock-theme-violet:bg-white block-theme-violet:text-purple block-theme-mocha:bg-sand-500 block-theme-mocha:text-brown\n\tblock-theme-sand:bg-sand-300 block-theme-sand:text-neutral-900\n\tblock-theme-violet:outline-purple-100 block-theme-violet:outline-1 block-theme-violet:outline-t-0\n\ttheme-mocha:bg-white! theme-violet:bg-white! theme-sand:bg-white!\n\tflex-row gap-4 @md:gap-8 p-4 @md:p-6\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image:w-full image:aspect-square image:object-cover shrink-0 size-17.5 @sm:size-21.25 @md:size-30 @lg:size-40\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"307\" src=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198\" class=\"attachment-square_lg size-square_lg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 2000w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-300x200.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 300w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-875x583.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 875w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-1280x853.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 1280w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-1600x1066.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 1600w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-150x100.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 150w, https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/01\/20160021\/Hans-Smits-voorzitter-college-van-bestuur-Aysha-Gasanova-2-225x150.jpg?image-crop-positioner-ts=1766139198 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"flex flex-col gap-2 md:gap-4 \">\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"text-md @lg:text-lg\">\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.erasmusmagazine.nl\/en\/2020\/01\/20\/new-universitys-chair-isnt-merely-here-to-mind-the-shop\/\" class=\"absolute-link text-current hocus:underline inline-block\">\n\t\t\t\tNew university\u2019s Chair isn\u2019t merely here to mind the shop\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t<div class=\"flex flex-wrap gap-4 items-center\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"sr-only\">Gepubliceerd op:<\/span>\n\t\t\t<time class=\"text-sm font-soehne text-neutral-900\" datetime=\"2020-01-20\">20 January 2020<\/time>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t<ul data-component=\"list-badges\" class=\"flex items-center gap-2 flex-wrap\" aria-label=\"Geplaatst in categorie\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"badge\" class=\"block-theme-violet:bg-purple font-soehne font-bold text-sm bg-brown-600 block-theme-violet:bg-purple text-white py-[2px] px-2\">\n\t\t\t\t\tBoard\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p><strong>Initially, one of your most important assignments appeared to be to work out the convergence plans with TU Delft and Erasmus MC. Were these subject to delays because of the corona crisis?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes and no. We continued to work on the content, but because of the corona crisis we were unable to work out the principle agreement for a framework agreement. It has to be in place before the end of the year.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>In the last session of the University Council, you called the Executive Board a winning team. Would you have actually wanted to give it another year?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes, I definitely don\u2019t deny that. If the Board had asked me to stay a little longer, I would have been more than happy to do so. Precisely in order to keep the winning team on board throughout this crisis. During the first phase of the corona crisis we set up a number of things and I would have liked to have seen how they would turn out in the upcoming academic year. On the other hand, of course, I also respect the decision to continue with the application procedure for a new executive board president. I met Ed Brinksma for the first time yesterday. The upside is that he also went through the corona crisis in his previous position in Hamburg.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/quote\" class=\"align\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"\">\n\t\t\t<figure data-component=\"quote-with-author\" class=\"@container\">\n\t<blockquote class=\"text-md italic @2xl:text-xl @4xl:text-2xl text-purple\">\n\t\t\u2018Generally speaking, I think that for managers who have proven themselves, their experience is not taken advantage of enough in the Netherlands\u2019\n\t<\/blockquote>\n\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<p><strong>And is retirement on the cards next then?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo, I\u2019m returning as chief-commissioner to the Janssen de Jong construction company, where I was the managing director before my arrival at the university. The word \u2018pension\u2019 doesn\u2019t feature in my vocabulary anyway. I think that in the Netherlands, it\u2019s often said too quickly that someone is old. Look at the United States: when you\u2019re in your late 60s, early 70s there, you\u2019re not old, instead you\u2019re seen as an experienced manager. Generally speaking, I think that for managers who have proven themselves, their experience is not taken advantage of enough in the Netherlands.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Where inclusivity is concerned for you , this also implies more respect for the older employee.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hans Smits laughs: \u201d You could say it like that, yes.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\t<div data-name=\"acf\/persons\" class=\"mt-6 md:mt-8 lg:mt-10\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"sr-only\">De redactie<\/h2>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"space-y-6\">\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<ul class=\"grid grid-cols-1 md:grid-cols-2 gap-4 md:gap-8 md:items-center\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div data-component=\"teaser-person\" class=\"relative flex gap-4 items-center md:gap-8\">\n\n\t\t\t<span class=\"image:rounded-full image:size-20 image:aspect-square image:object-cover md:image:size-36 shrink-0\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1197\" height=\"898\" 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